Jai Sai Master!

Dear Dwaraka garu,
Many Thanks for reminding "The more we understand the problem,clearer the solution becomes!!" Iam trying now to understand.

The Problem as i understood till now

In General:

It is very clear from the lives of all the realised ones, if we have atleast a glance, that one can have a better way of living compared to how we are living now - a life with more clarity,more joy,better understanding,more than all a blissful state of mind. But the are reasons that are stopping us from attaining are trivial,very stupid and silly.There is always a better way of looking into the things.Im still trying to see the problem clearly...

In Particular:

Whenever i see people with false humility,i understand all of us have one or the other blockage in their path,if it is removed one can flow with life current without any resistance and reach the goal.It is like a river has already born,where can it reach other than ocean? only some obstacles are on its way.Just by removing them--the river will merge with ocean.For one,it is false humility,for other it is pride,for other it may be the very desire of attaining etc...Just the removal of this dust makes the mirror clear.No one is higher or lower,just the quantity of the dust to be removed decides...

Friends,good people,known people if they are struggling with these and it is really frustrating when we are trying to help--and that help is becoming a hindrance for their understanding..what to do?how to help?only answer i got is pray to baba--"correct me if iam wrong,please show us the right way.. only you are capable.."   what else can i do? 

sorry if i had written something meaningless.I just poured my flow of thoughts.I respect this forum and i dont want to throw garbage from my mind into a holy place---Still trying to see the problem clearly....

Jai Sai Master! 

Dwaraka Uncle,



You said that Sadhana is the starting point of attaining our Goal, right?
 
So, is what we are all doing right now a waste of time?  Since what we are doing, (going to school, taking exams, getting jobs, etc.) doesn't get us any closer to "Discovering the truth, the true nature of one-self, and that of the whole of creation and the creator is the goal".


We have to get the certain qualities, (Daivi Sampada), then do Sadhana, then after many years of doing so, we will reach the Goal?  But Uncle, what is everyone doing right now?  Like doing pooja, going to temples, participating in temple activities, doing prayer, etc.

Many of us are doing parayana. Is that Sadhana?  But according to what you said, Sadhana will be technically started only after obtaining Daivi Sampada characteristics. If that is not Sadhana, what is it? 

Uncle, you said that there are different types of Sadhana and that it differs by each's temperament.  They say that every person is different, so are there that many types of Sadhana?

I have read about Daivi Sampada in Gurucharitra and am listing the characteristics below.

Here are some Do's and Dont's for the "Daivi Sampada" characteristics.

1) Do Be Peaceful (Shanti),(Krodhamu Lekunda)
2) Be Righteousness (Dharmamu),(Dharmanista)
3) Be Compassionate towards others (Canikaramu)
4) Be Shy (Siggu/Ladja)
5) Be Charitable (Dhaanamu)
6) Have a Pure Heart (Hrudyam Suddhi)
7) Do (Yogabhyasamu)
Do (Thatvajnanamu)
9) Do Control Your Senses (Indriya Nigrahamu)
10) Do (Yajnmu)
11) Do Penance (Thappassu)
12) Do Read Good Literary Works (Svadyayamu)
13) Be Non-Violent (Ahimsa)
14) Be Truthful (Satyamu)
15) Do Sacrifice (Thyagamu)
16) Be Polite (Mrudhu Svabhvamu)
17) Have Unwavering Common Sense (Chekkuchadharani Yuktha Yukthabuddhi)
18) Be Patient (Sahanamu), (Orimi)
19) Don't Be Inconsistent (Champalyamu Lekundadamu)
20) Don't Broadcast Others' Wrong Deeds (Etharula Dhoshalu Prakatencha Kudadhu)
21) Don't Be Deceptive (Vanchana Lekundadamu)
22) Don't Be Egoistic (Nigarvamu)

These are very good qualities:).  But if someone did have these qualities, why would they need to do Sadhana? 

Don't they already have the characteristics of a Mahatma?   

What would be the difference between a Mahatma and a "normal" person that has "mastered" the Daivi Sampada qualities?

Jai Sai Master!


The more we understand the problem, the clearer the solution becomes, right? What is the problem? Where does it come from?

Jai Sai Master!

జై సాయి మాస్టర్!
గురు కుటుంబానికి గురు బంధువుల నమస్కారములు !
అలివేలు మంగ పతి నీకిదే వందనం !
శ్రీ గురు గీత :17 వ శ్లోకం
శ్లో :యస్మిన్  స్ధితమిదం సర్వం  భాతియద్భానరూపతః !
     యత్ప్రీత్యాప్రియం  పుత్రాది  తస్మైశ్రీ గురవే  నమః !!
భావము :ఈ సకల  జగత్తు  ఎవని యందైతే  ఉన్నదో ,ఎవని  వెలుగుచేత  భాసింపజేయబడుచున్నదో, ఎవరి  ఆనంద తత్వము   చేత  పుత్రాదులు  జీవులకు  ప్రీతి  పాత్రులగుచున్నారో  అట్టి  గురువునకు   నమస్కారము .
వివరణ :ఈ శ్లోకమున(1 )యత్సత్యేన  జగత్సత్యం  అన్న దానికి (2 )యత్ప్రకాశేనభాతియత్  అన్నదానికి  (3 ) యదానందేన  నందంతి  అన్నదానికి   వివరణలు సమ్మేళనము  గావించబడినవి .ఈ నిఖిల  జగత్తు  ఏ విశ్వ  చైతన్యము  యొక్క భావనో   అది  దాని  యందుండును.మనస్సునందుత్పన్నమైన  ఊహలు  మనస్సులోపలె  ఉండునటుల సాయి  కూడా  అఖిల  విశ్వము  తనలోనే  కలదని  చెప్పిరి .అనగా ఆయన  విశ్వరూపముననే  కాక ఆ రూపమును  ధరించకుండా  ఉన్న  అవ్యక్త  చైతన్య రూపము కూడా  వారే  అయి వున్నారు -మనస్సు  ఊహల  రూపముననే  కాక  వాటిననుభవించు,సాక్షి   చైతన్యముగ కూడ  ఉన్నట్లు -మెలుకువ లోని   కార్య రూపములు  స్మృతి  సంస్కార  రూపమున   మనస్సునందు  నిలిచి  స్వప్నావస్దయందు అది  వాస్తవమన్నట్టు  వస్తు  రూపములుగా  ననుభూత మగుచున్నదో ,అటులనే  ఇంతకు  ముందు  సృష్టి   ప్రళయకాలమున ,సంస్కార  రూపమున  విశ్వ చైతన్యములో   దాగి యుండి తిరిగి  సృష్టి కాలమున  వస్తు రూపములైనట్లు   గోచరించుచున్నది. విశ్వ చైతన్యమందలి  సంస్కారములే  మనకు  వస్తు  రూపమున  అనుభవమగుచున్నవి .కాని  వాటి  వస్తుత్వము  నిజాము  కాదని ,అన్నీ చైతన్యముచేత  చేయబడిన  సంస్కారములే యని  ఎరుగుటయే 'బ్రహ్మ సత్యం ,జగన్మిధ్య 'అను  జ్ఞానమును  పొందుట  .దానికి  ఉపకరించ గలిగినది  సద్గురుడే కనుక  వారికి  నమస్కారము .
అలివేలు మంగ పతి నీకిదే వందనం !
జై సాయి మాస్టర్!

Jai Sai Master!

Uttam garu, I am going through the other threads in the forum.Really there is a lot more to learn here.
Well said. I am reminded of the sloka

Satsangatve nissangatvam,
Nissangatve nirmohatvam,
Nirmohatve nischalatatvam,
Nischalatatve Jeevanmuktam..---Sri Sankara Bhagavadpada

Dwaraka garu,
                   
What you have mentioned is true. I met very few people like them.The common points i have observed in them are 1.They have read few spiritual books. 2. If we question them, they will become upset. After my experience with first two persons of this category, i have decided not to argue with them.Reasons are 1.They will become upset and may not be close with me as previously. 2. There is feeling of guilt in me after questioning them--did i hurt a good person or what?? Don't know what is the solution-so only way is silence.   

Raghuram garu,
 

Firstly you have to answer me some pending questions which i have asked you long back in previous posts, only then i will answer.
Secondly answering this question here is little difficult because there is a possibility one may misunderstand the tone in which i am speaking.So to answer that one prerequisite--you have to feel that you are listening to your very close friend.If this condition is ok for you i will proceed..

jai saimaster!

Arun garu, welcome back.


What do you mean by ego? I want to know in what sense you used it here.

jai saimaster!

Jai Sai Master!


Yes Raghuram garu, you are right.That is not pariprasna. In brief, Pariprasna cheyadaaniki....we need some qualities, which are totally lacking in me.

my one cent.

Jai Sai Master!

Jai Sai Master

Raghuram garu,

That should be fine. Usually we dont address each other with sir. It was only a request from my side.

Jai Sai Master.

jai saimaster!

I did not mean sir as in addressing a teacher, uttam garu . I know it is used in that sense a lot in andhrapradesh. I respect everyone. I address everyone as sir. Infact, I realized that this is the easiet way to treat everyone equally. Lately, I realized that when I go out, I don't see everyone on the road but only a few of those who are attractive or different. When I go to restaurant, I hardly see the face of the server. But I see the faces of attractive people sitting around. If I go to a function, I see only attractive people with new clothes but not workers there. That was so mean of me. From then on, I decided to 'see' everyone and 'talk' to everyone who ever comes into my vicinity in the same way, part of which is addressing everyone as sir.

jai saimaster!

Jai Sai Master!

Good points arun,


I agree with what you said.. Just wanted to add about false humility. In the name of spirituality, goodness, etc., some people go on saying "its all Baba's will", and "I am nothing". But when you question them, (or ourselves), thats when it becomes clear, whether the feeling of "I am nothing" is right or wrong. Or, people evade questioning itself in this name. Such false humility, IMHO is a big problem in the so called "devotees".  As vivekananda points out, one has to learn to take responsibility for oneself, and as Master says, then only one can leave the responsibility to the Guru.

Jai Sai Master!!