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« Reply #90 on: October 13, 2008, 10:45:57 PM » |
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Jai Sai Master!
Hi Srushti
Thank you for the welcome! Here is how I wish to put it-
If we dont wish/desire for good marks but do the work since it is to be done then it is not needed to ask Baba for a favourable result. We are ready for any result and we are ready to accept that as Baba's blessings. In that state of mind - yes! I agree that one need not pray Baba for a favaourable outcome.
If the mind is not at such peace or if a favourable result is needed for betterment (in our opinion), then prayer for better results will help. Such prayers, done properly, will help us reach the peaceful state of mind where the result is immaterial.
So, if you are willing to put in your work since it is to be put in and leave the result to Baba-very good. But if there is a desire to score well , one need not shy away from wishing for good marks and praying for it since it is not the "right thing". Reasons galore for prayer if there is a strong desire/wish.
I donot know what is your state of mind with regards to good marks. But I thought you should not get into a situation where you might perceive praying for better results is not the right thing. Not having a wish is the right thing. But if there is a wish then praying for it , inspite of our best efforts, is the right thing to do.
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« Reply #91 on: October 13, 2008, 11:02:06 PM » |
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Jai Sai Master!
Good to see good people online!
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« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2008, 08:12:17 AM » |
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Jai Sai Master, Babu garu.. Jai Sai Master, Sai Bandhus.. Jai Sai Master, Srikanth garu.. It was a wonderul little post. Learned something today. If the mind is not at such peace or if a favourable result is needed for betterment (in our opinion), then prayer for better results will help. Such prayers, done properly, will help us reach the peaceful state of mind where the result is immaterial. Regards, Jai Sai Master! Ananth |
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Jai Sai Master!
Jai Swamy Sai!
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« Reply #93 on: October 14, 2008, 04:04:00 PM » |
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Srikanth Uncle, If we dont wish/desire for good marks but do the work since it is to be done then it is not needed to ask Baba for a favourable result. We are ready for any result and we are ready to accept that as Baba's blessings. In that state of mind - yes! I agree that one need not pray Baba for a favaourable outcome. If getting good marks is a desire, then WHAT for we study? we are studying for good marks(for promoting to upper class). Is studying a desire too?? Now I'm getting more doubts on this topic " THE PRAYER" I donot know what is your state of mind with regards to good marks. I need good marks!  This is my 9th week of school, I'm going to get my report card for this 1st semester, till now I didn't pray Baba for good marks. I will get the results soon, then only I can decide. But I thought you should not get into a situation where you might perceive praying for better results is not the right thing. Not having a wish is the right thing. But if there is a wish then praying for it , inspite of our best efforts, is the right thing to do. Uncle I'm not saying that wishing is TOTALLY bad, we have to go step-by-step all the way to Not-wishing at all. But we have to practice to get it. Am I wrong ?? I'll be starting a new thread for this.  I'm in some other activities and I've homework to do. Because of this I'm having a little free time. please dont get surprised if i dont reply immediately. I'll try my best to participate in this discussion as much as i can. we can go slowly. what do you say?? |
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asrikanth
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« Reply #94 on: October 15, 2008, 12:48:30 AM » |
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Jai Sai Master!
Hi Srushti,
Of course, we all can go slowly on this. In fact, we can not get clarity, on issues that we are discussing, in a hurry. It needs sustained effort-thinking, discussing & praying. Please take care of all your daily work in the right spirit and we can discuss only in your free time. Some of us elders may need to spend more time or all the time here than in daily work because we do not do our daily work in the right spirit - but that’s a different topic.
In your posting you used three words – Desire, Need and Wish.
You said ‘I need good marks’.
You asked “is studying a desire?”
You said “wishing is not totally bad”
And you sound as if you consider it wrong on your part to do anything with a ‘desire’ (If getting good marks is a desire, then what for we study?).
And you seem to feel that we can ‘wish’ in some cases but it is generally bad. (Uncle, I am not saying that wishing is totally bad).
Please do two things – at leisure.
1) Tell me if my assumptions are right or not.
2) Try and define desire, need and wish. Are they all the same or are they different? If different, how?
Based on your inputs, we can discuss your questions. I wanted to discuss your questions in detail but I felt it is better to go systematically and slowly rather than rush in and jumble up.
Jai Sai Master!!
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« Reply #95 on: October 17, 2008, 03:36:52 PM » |
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Srikanth Uncle Garu, 1) Uncle, your assumption is right. Having a desire is bad. 2) Your assumption is right. We can wish in some cases but it's generally bad because through which we are obstucting our happiness. Need : We can't live without it. For ex. like food, water, shelter, clothing, and the most important of all air. Desire : Wish. We can live without it. Wish : Desire  We can live without it. I'm thinking that desire is a strong wish and is bad. And a wish is a slight wish, I don't know for sure please tell me. P.S. Please make me clear on what TO wish for, and NOT to wish for. |
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« Reply #96 on: October 18, 2008, 10:00:45 AM » |
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Jai Sai Master!
Hi Srushti,
As we decided let us go slowly and discuss in detail and try and arrive at an answer to your question-What do we wish for and what do we not wish for (What do we pray for and what do we not pray for?)
Sorry for seeking clarifications but....
What do you consider 'getting good marks' as? As per your definitions - need? wish/desire?
Jai Sai Master!!
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« Reply #97 on: October 18, 2008, 04:10:01 PM » |
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Srikanth Uncle, As we decided let us go slowly and discuss in detail and try and arrive at an answer to your question-What do we wish for and what do we not wish for (What do we pray for and what do we not pray for?)
Sorry for seeking clarifications but....
What do you consider 'getting good marks' as? As per your definitions - need? wish/desire? Uncle, there are many kinds of good marks, (for me) there is A ++,A+,A, A- or in the behavior grades E = Excellent, S = Satisfactory. I have a question if there is someone ( ecomically average person) that's in need of an scholarship, they need to score 90-100%. Is that a need or desire?? That is need right ?? But if there is a person that's very rich , and they want to score 90 - 100% and prays to Baba that he WANTS to get the scholarship. That is a desire/wish isn't it ?? So praying for getting good marks varies to person to person ( by what kind of person is asking for them. I mean by ecomical status.) Please correct me, I need some clarification on this. Srusti |
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« Reply #98 on: October 18, 2008, 05:23:45 PM » |
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Jai Sai Master!
Jai Sai Master!
Hi Srushti,
Yes. A similar or same result is perceived by some as a need and by some others as a wish depending on their state of mind.
I am sure you are aspiring for a grade. You must be having a specific grade in mind depending on your capabiity, past record etc. It could be A++, A+, A - whatever!
What in your opinion is this aspiration - need?wish?
Or is it neither?
Jai Sai Master!!
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« Reply #99 on: October 20, 2008, 07:46:47 PM » |
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Srikanth Uncle, I am sure you are aspiring for a grade. You must be having a specific grade in mind depending on your capabiity, past record etc. It could be A++, A+, A - whatever!
What in your opinion is this aspiration - need?wish?
Or is it neither? Uncle, in this scenario, aspiration is not a need or a wish. It's my responsibility or duty as a student. So (in my opinion) praying Baba for good marks is required. Because it will make my task easier. Is it right or wrong ?? |
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« Reply #100 on: October 22, 2008, 05:43:10 PM » |
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Jai Sai Master!
Hi Srushti,
You said it is your responsibility to get good marks as a student.
So you aspire to discharge your responsibility. What is this aspiration - need? wish? desire?
My point is if you are studying hard to get good marks there is an underlying aspiration. It could be getting into next class or discharging duty as a student or getting A++ or getting not less than A etc etc. Without any aspiration, you can not study hard. None of us do anything without an aspiration. We term aspirations as 'wish' or 'desire' etc depending on the degree of desperation. But essentially they are all the same. But there are harmful desires and desires which are not harmful.
Now in your discussions with Ananth uncle and others, you were discussing whether to pray for good marks or not to pray. And you came up with some questions. I am trying to answer these questions. Please feel free to add questions to this list if you want to. And I request Ananth Garu and others to participate in the discussion and advise if I am deviating.
1) Is getting good marks a desire?
My input is if you are working hard for getting marks there is an underlying aspiration. Without any aspiration you can not work hard as discussed above. So, yes ! getting good marks is an aspiration. An aspiration is termed as a desire depending on the degree of desperation but they are same.
2) Does Srushti have this desire?
Yes, she does since she works hard towards it.
3) Is it bad to have this desire?
My input is – there are harmful desires and desires which are not harmful. This is an aspiration which is not harmful. So it is not bad to aspire for good marks.
4) Should Srushti pray Baba for getting good marks?
My input is- Yes! She MUST!! As long as she is working hard towards getting marks she should pray for getting the result – in spite of her best efforts.
5) So what happens to her aspiration of eventually getting rid of her desires?
My input is – this a different aspiration/desire and she MUST pray Baba for this separately and should not stop praying Baba for getting good marks while working hard for it.
Jai Sai Master!!
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« Reply #101 on: October 24, 2008, 06:40:27 PM » |
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Jai Sai Master!
Hi Srushti,
Just one more addition to what I said in my previous posting.
You can pray Baba to do what is best for you while you prepared hard for a result. But my view is one should do it when one is honestly ready to accept whatever Baba gives. Even if there is an iota of doubt (whether we will be able to accept it or not) one must pray Baba for favourable result.
Jai Sai Master !!
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« Reply #102 on: November 28, 2008, 09:10:46 AM » |
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Srikanth Uncle, Sorry I haven't been answering your posts. I just got back from India. 1) Is getting good marks a desire?
My input is if you are working hard for getting marks there is an underlying aspiration. Without any aspiration you can not work hard as discussed above. So, yes ! getting good marks is an aspiration. An aspiration is termed as a desire depending on the degree of desperation but they are same.
So uncle everone will definatly have an aspiration to do anything. 3) Is it bad to have this desire?
My input is – there are harmful desires and desires which are not harmful. This is an aspiration which is not harmful. So it is not bad to aspire for good marks.
Uncle what are harmful desires and what aren't?? What makes a harmful desire harmful or not?? To what extent is something harmful or not?? For E.X. there is a 1)thief, 2)mosquito,3)soldier etc. 1) the thief's desire is to steal something everyday. It's not harmful to him but harmful to the people that the thief is planning to rob. Is that a harmful desire or not ?? 2) The mosquito needs food (of course every living thing does) and that type of food is blood. When it's eating it's not harmful to it since it's having a meal. But it 's harmful to the other animal that is getting bitten because the mosquito might carry a disease. Even if it dosen't the bite get every itchy.Is the mosquito's desire harmful or not ?? If we see it our point of view the mosquito's aspiration is harmful to us. But in it's point of view it's an harmless aspiration. 5) So what happens to her aspiration of eventually getting rid of her desires?
My input is – this a different aspiration/desire and she MUST pray Baba for this separately and should not stop praying Baba for getting good marks while working hard for it.
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« Reply #103 on: January 02, 2009, 06:12:40 AM » |
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Hi Srushti,
Jai Sai Master!
1) Yes, all of us do things because we have aspirations. We are interested in some result and so we do things which we feel will produce that result.
2) A good aspiration will produce a good result. A good result is some thing which will give us sustained and deep happiness and peace. 'Sustained" and "deep" are the key words.
I will try and give you some examples. Take two aspirations - a) to get good marks b) to also help your friend get good marks. If you achieve both then the achievement of second aspiration will give you a better result in the sense that it will make you more happy and you will feel happy whenever you remember it.
3) Any aspiration which will give you this kind of happiness - sustained and deep - is a good aspiration and any thing which will not give you that happiness is not that good.
4) Now there will be aspirations which, instead of, giving you happiness, will make you sad and unhappy and restless. For example, an aspiration to some how ensure that your friend does not get good marks. This is an aspiration which will give you sorrow and makes you restless.
So you can summarize saying - any aspiration which will give you sustained and deep happiness is good and which will give you sorrow and makes you restless is harmful aspiration.
This of course needs further thinking from your side for it to be clear. I tried to give you some food for thought.
Regarding the thief, mosquito and soldier:
Thief:- The thief steals some thing daily. How long do you think he escapes. Sooner or later he will be caught and will be punished. If the police does not catch him, his guilt will catch up with him. Do you feel happy after you steal some thing without the knowledge of your parents? Obviously, no. In fact we will feel unhappy and guilty. So is the case with all human beings. Some may realize it immediately and for some it will take time, but, eventually stealing will make every one unhappy and restless. So, for the thief, it is harmful because it wont give him sustained and deep happiness.
Mosquito - In the case of animals, they dont aspire. They act on instincts. Mosquito feels hungry and it bites. The intention is to get over the hunger. Once the hunger is fulfileed it does not bite any more. So from mosquito's side there is no such aspiration as being discussed here. Again, this needs to be thought about for clarity.
Now from our side, we can have the following desires - a) The mosquito is biting. I am feeling itchy and pinchy so I will kill it so I feel comfortable. b) The mosquito is biting. I am feeling itchy and pinchy so I will shoo it away or apply anti mosquito cream or some thing to drive it away with out killing it. Which desire will give us more happiness? And so which desire is better?
Soldier:- Your question is about the aspiration to kill some one. In the case of the soldier the aspiration is not just to kill. But the aspiration is to kill to save his country from enemies of his people. The aspiration is to help his country men live in peace by killing the enemy. There is no personal grudge. He is discharging his duty. The desire is to discharge his duty. Discharging his duty to the best of his ability will make him happy. So it is not harmful. But if some one kills with a personal grudge, then it is harmful because it will make them unhappy.
I hope I have been able to address your queries. Please do let me know if you need any further inputs. As I said earlier, we have to think quite a lot on these issues for clarity. It takes sustained effort from us. Let us keep trying to do that.
Jai Sai Master!!
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« Reply #104 on: January 03, 2009, 12:12:13 AM » |
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Hi Srushti
Jai Sai Master!
Also please let me know if you are able to understand my inputs with ease. If there is any difficulty because of my style of writing or choice of words etc, let me know. I will be glad to try and make it more appealing to you.
Jai Sai Master!!
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