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Swarup
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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2008, 02:48:25 PM »

Hello Srusti,

Even though it's a happy or sad ending I would still think that the man wasted his time because in a happy story the man would would watch the cocoon and he saw the butterfly making no progress of pushing against the cocoon to have freedom. Then the man was going to get his scissors but he stopped himself and thought. He's thinking : I'll wait some more time. Why should I cut the cocoon ? This is the way of nature of how to make butterflies fly and how to make a fish swim and anyway they got out by them self did I "help" any of them ? Did anybody help them. No. 

Then the man put up his scissors and wait some more time (wasted his time)  Grin


Well the person has thought thus far and appreciated the greatness of Supreme, than its not a waste of time. If the person has learnt the lesson not to do that act again, that is not a waste of time. Or the person has become more inquisiste and got into a research mode as to finding the optimum time when to break or what would be effects on butterfly, how exactly was the fluid being sucked during the developmental phase, than its not a waste of time.
But, if he repeats the same act unmindful, or mindfully and hurts the butterfly than its a waste of time (more on the evil side), as sai baba Himself has said and also master always said, and ardently asked all His devotees to utilize time purposefully.
Also the other point I am trying to make (and I always tell my nephew) is good and bad are not always in black and white, there will be some (rather many) grey zones and more importantly we should not be judgemental  about any person just because we perceive it as wrong, may be there is an other side of story which we skipped. Do you agree??!! Smiley

Om sai ram
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« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2008, 06:18:51 PM »

Jai Sai Master!
I believe overall the man must get a -ve result.
Because killing or torturing animals for something other than a "yagna" meant for some greater cause (including the animal being killed) is a sin. Period.
I don't think you can mess with the nature for your research or curiosity sake.
That's my feeling.

P.S. BTW, Srusti, I like your caption.
Jai Sai Master!
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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2008, 07:41:49 AM »


I don't think you can mess with the nature for your research or curiosity sake.


wow.... I am burning in hell already  Huh.... If thats what it is ... I so LOVE IT there!!!!  Wink Grin

Om sai ram
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« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2008, 08:40:25 AM »

Swarup Uncle,

Now I understood why you were supporting the man because the man did it for curiosity and might for research. And Uncle you are doing something with nature, maybe for research. Uncle what are you doing and what are you ??



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Also the other point I am trying to make (and I always tell my nephew) is good and bad are not always in black and white, there will be some (rather many) grey zones and more importantly we should not be judgemental about any person just because we perceive it as wrong, may be there is an other side of story which we skipped. Do you agree??!! Smiley



Ok Uncle now I agree. Roll Eyes  Grin

 Maybe the man did it for research so that wouldn't mean he was wasting his time.



Vasu Uncle,

Thank you Uncle, and I learned my caption through you people.

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Because killing or torturing animals for something other than a "yagna" meant for some greater cause (including the animal being killed) is a sin. Period.
I don't think you can mess with the nature for your research or curiosity



But Uncle to become a doctor we need to kill some animals and take them apart. Is that a sin ?? I don't know what Yagna means.


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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2008, 11:57:27 AM »

But Uncle to become a doctor we need to kill some animals and take them apart. Is that a sin ??

Dear Srusti, this is a tough and debatble topic, the following are my opinions and please form your opinion on this topic after you take everyones opinion and more importantly after you analyze yourself and if possible after you go thorugh the experiences yourself, ofcourse which will take several several years, for you. Also, with all people and opinions, none of the opinions are decimal or absolutely paramout than, what mahatmas or learned ones have said and what your heart agrees with  (usually both will be same if placed in correct perspective). In this regard i follow buddha's quote Smiley (see my signature quote below)

Regarding killing animals for dissections and learning and research purpose, first i always remember to respect the animal. Because I am using that species created by God for the holy purpose of learning. As said by several, work is worship.

Just say you are learning maths or english or music it is as much a holy work as you are reading arathi before Baba, if you are following your parents suggestions its as much a holy thing as worshiping supreme.

Same is the thing with work. when the work is needed and done with positive intent and with broader goal to the service of humanity or appreciate God better, than in that case killing animals is justified (again in my opinion).

But even though a scientist or medical doctor kills animals for the evil purpose of spreading diseases around, than the same act is offensive and evil. Also if a person kills an animal because of the previlage he thinks he claims from the profession he has, than that is the biggest sin ever, as all professions are very important and very holy. Every person belonging to any profession should take-up his/her work as worship and a means to reach God.

This goes back to the same point what your intent (bhavam) is towards the animals and what goal in spiritual sense.

Same was the purpose in yagnas, previously. Yagnas can be considered as a kind of offering. Killing there was actually kills a part of our best liked cattle (considered as wealth in ancient days). It was a sacred offering. But the only thing is I am not sure if that bhavam is maintained now-a-days.

Master goes over it with respect to meat-eating in sai prabodhamrutham. I think you can ask your mom to read those pages for you (or read it yourself if you can read telugu).


Now I understood why you were supporting the man because the man did it for curiosity and might for research. And Uncle you are doing something with nature, maybe for research. Uncle what are you doing and what are you ??


Again, slight change srusti, I am not supporting or opposing the man in the story, but was just analyzing all the possible outcomes of a given work. What I was taught, and I liked the best is analyzing a situation and sometimes I dont even take the meaning, personally that helped me with improving the analyzing prospect in a new situation.

As you have noticed, we started with a story, tried to analyze the moral, Supreme plan and way, next analyze the work, analyze what could have and could not have done and next, what our work in practical world... any story I think could be extrapolated more than a direct moral... and thats what i was doing.... I do it with almost all the stories, Like say take Lion-King story. Stop in the middle of the story and ask your self what the possible outcomes. Well, i was taught that by my parents and I liked it. Say I am watching a movie or reading a story, i used to write down different ways a (my) story/movie could have unfolded.

Say you are reading a miracle of baba, try to write-down how you will feel from different angles. Like say Baba lighting jyothi from water. I used analyze myself as the oil-merchant (who didnot give oil to baba) how would i feel, as a servant in masjid how would i feel, as a devotee of baba, as an athiest watching baba do it etc. and try to correlate with correcting myself in daily life. Well thats why may be i bore my freinds sometimes (rather many times), and may be I bored you now, Sorry if i  did that now Smiley

Om sai ram
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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2008, 02:50:05 PM »

Swarup Uncle,

From your message,I came to know that learning,following parent's suggestions and work is worship. So it depends on your intent (bhavam) to be judged if you get - (negative) OR + (positive) marks.And when we kill an animal(for learning) we respect it by saying this Baba is helping me learn.


Uncle, my mom just started reading Sai Pravachanamulu to me. We read the 1st  3 pages. And it explained that baba is in everything. I can read a little bit of Telugu but I have to improve.

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As you have noticed, we started with a story, tried to analyze the moral, Supreme plan and way, next analyze the work, analyze what could have and could not have done and next, what our work in practical world... any story I think could be extrapolated more than a direct moral... and thats what i was doing.... I do it with almost all the stories, Like say take Lion-King story. Stop in the middle of the story and ask your self what the possible outcomes. Well, i was taught that by my parents and I liked it. Say I am watching a movie or reading a story, i used to write down different ways a (my) story/movie could have unfolded.

Say you are reading a miracle of baba, try to write-down how you will feel from different angles. Like say Baba lighting jyothi from water. I used analyze myself as the oil-merchant (who didnot give oil to baba) how would i feel, as a servant in masjid how would i feel, as a devotee of baba, as an athiest watching baba do it etc. and try to correlate with correcting myself in daily life. Well thats why may be i bore my freinds sometimes (rather many times), and may be I bored you now, Sorry if i did that now. Smiley

I really like that strategy Uncle. I want to try that. Smiley

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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2008, 12:45:43 PM »

HAPPY  BIRTHDAY    Dwaraka Uncle!


                                                                                           
With Regards,
Srusti
                                                                             
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« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2008, 07:28:14 PM »

Dear Uncles,

I have some questions not related to spirituality but to Science. I got these questions when some Christians came to our house to tell us about Christ. And that the Earth will come to an end when people are disobedient to their parents, betry others, and ect. So the Earth  will come to an end soon ( in their belief) because people are doing wrong things. Can I post those questions on the Forums ?? If anyone says yes then I'll post the questions.
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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2008, 08:31:21 PM »

Dear srusti,

If related to science, please feel free to post ur questions. But if its christainity or any one religion in particular, I would advice you to refrain or be cautius; or more specifically discuss with your parents first before posting.

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« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2008, 01:15:45 PM »

Finally I came to know what is God Smiley. I wanted to share it with you but you already know what God is. Cool

These are the different characteristics of God.

1.God is mahatma,and mahatmas are god.
2.Animals + Humans + everything = god.
3.He/she always lives everywhere,in everything,and in everyone.
4.He/she grants our wishes it we need it.
5.He/she gives us hints about how to live like.
6.He/she helps us.
7.He/she tests us.
8.He/she is the most superior to everything.
9.He/she is the strongest.
10.We worship them.
11.He/she defeats bad guys.
12.Has patience with us.
13.Punishes us for bad deeds.
14.Is always good.
15.Was the first one in the universe.
16.God is belief, faith, and confidence.

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« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2008, 01:09:24 PM »

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Jai Sai Master !

Dear Srusti, who told you that you cant see God ?

Infact you are seeing God right now but mistaking it by calling it a computer, keyboard, table, mouse etc. !

What you see plus you yourself, are God. Thats what Baba clearly said.

But wait a second, what is God ? Is God a man or a woman ? Where does God live ? What is the use of Him ? Do we really require somebody to be a God ?

Try to answer these questions first ..

Jai Sai Master !


Dear Asterias Uncle,

You asked me to find out what is God ? Is God a man or a woman ? Where does God live ? What is the use of Him ? Do we really require somebody to be a God ?
There are real bugging questions, because I asked many what is God. But they did not answer.

Finally I found them but in an odd way.....

Last Friday when i watching a movie called Ramdas. At the end of the movie, when Lord Rama appeared before Ramdas and they had a nice conversation. Before that Ramdas wants to die because he couldnot see Rama with his own eyes. Then his wife tells him that he couldn't find Rama any where because Rama is in his HEART. Then he takes a stone and pierce his HEART, then he found Rama in his own Heart.

Rama: Ramdas you have showed me a lot of bacthy. so that's why i'm giving you mucthy.

Ramdas: What is mucthy?

Rama: Its complete Anandam. Sages do meditation and yagas for his Anandam. You are so lucky to get this without doing any such  things(Its a good deal)

Ramdas: Can i do your bajans and haratis in that place Anandam.

Rama:No you cant and dont have too.

Ramdas:Then how can it be anandam without doing your haratis and bajans?? sorry but i dont want that  mucthy.

Rama: You are the only peron that didnt want anandam/mucthy. We will stay in your temple and your sole will stay at this temple Badrachalam. You can watch the devotees in the temple.


In this story Lord Rama wants to give Ramdas Anandam because he(Rama) himself is ANANDAM. And i found my answer, God means ANANDAM and its not either man or woman. ANANDAM  lives in  our HEART. Its our goal. We dont need any body to be a God, because we have them in our HEART.


Uncle why aren't you participating in the Forums ?? Am i correct uncle ??

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