OM SAI, SRI SAI, JAI JAI SAI,
JAI SAI MASTER,

Dear BABUgaru Namaste,

Mastergari pai quote lo okka vishayam arthamaina sariga arthamavvalenatlu vundi. I need your help to understand this quote.  కనుక ఆ సద్గురువుయొక్క అనుగ్రహానికి అందరూ పాత్రులుగారు.... EE sentence lo mastergari abhiprayam lo anugraham ante emiti and daani patrulu ayyinavallu ela vuntaru valla life lo and evaraithe sadguruvu anugrahani patrulukani vallu ela vuntaru valla life lo? I want to know the difference between those two things.

I  aimed this query to you only because frankly I admire your way of applying logics , intellegence etc etc in replying other devotees queries....certainly there will be no doubt left once  you reply. Hence waiting for your reply. Thanks for your time.

Regards,
 
Brunda.

Jai Sai Master.

Source for the devotee Seshachari's experience shared earlier is ..

http://www.saimasterforums.org/index.php?topic=862.0

This is one of the threads we love to read very often.

This incident teaches great lessons.

1. Seshachari's expectation is a simple one. All he expected is prasadam (Mithai). That too along with others. It is such a simple and reasonable wish. 

2. Masters may test and teach through simplest things.

3.Fortunate is Seshachari, he could recognize that the desire for something (sweet) is the reason for everything. Can we ever realize this even after many janmas? He not only thought about it, he could think and implement to come out of that desire of having sweet.

This reminds us another Mahatma's story given in Magazine. Not sure about which month it is. We will share once we find it. It is toughest to even think about how great devotees and Mahatmas won over these simplest yet strong wishes. Inspiring is we could read about these experiences of devotees. Thanks to Master garu. Jai Sai Master.

Jai Sai Master.

jai saimaster!

I suppose grace is two way. With our stupidity and silliness we make sure that we don't get the grace.
The teacher is always ready to teach, but what can he do if the student does not want to listen?

jai saimaster!

OM SAI, SRI SAI, JAI JAI SAI,
JAI SAI MASTER,

Thank you SAIUTTAMPALLAVIgaru for the awesome leela of SWAMI SAMARTH. First when I read MASTERgari quote about anugraham then I thought grace(anugraham) must be interms of material comforts along with SELF-REALISATION. Here I would like to go into little deep WHAT ACTUALLY GRACE means? Making a person desireless and imbibing into him the knowledge about non-duality towards things and preparing him for self-realisation (which saves a soul from the cycle of births and deaths)

All this gives me a feeling that I understood everything but on the whole again I feel like I came to understand a big zero. Very difficult to understand. Pls bear with me. Thanks for your time.

Regards,
 
Brunda.

OM SAI, SRI SAI, JAI JAI SAI,
JAI SAI MASTER,

Dear Saiuttampallavigaru,

Yes!! Now I got an idea what actually  ANUGRAHAM means. Thanks for sharing MASTERgari views. Very informative and highly knowledgeable also. I wonder how MASTERgaru in those days(without computers, internet etc) mastered each and every subject (whether its politics, spiritual, religion etc) so widely...yet to read other books of mastergaru. Thank you once again.

JAI SAI MASTER. 

Jai Sai Master!

Those are some lovely questions dearest Srusti. And you have asked some of the most important questions asked here on these forums ever. Therefore, all those questions need careful and detailed answering.

However, although the question arose with the "atheist", the answer does not come from there. The order of answering it is slightly different so that there is a logical flow to the answers.

Please forgive me because I am not answering immediately. I shall start answering them slowly. In the meanwhile, I would suggest two things for you to think.

The whole 'spirituality' and 'sadhana' has never, traditionally, included 'theist' or 'atheist' division. What Mahatmas said is this :
"Discovering the truth, the true nature of one-self and that of the whole of creation and the creator is the goal". Many Mahatmas did not even talk about 'creator', rather they talked about 'truth' alone.
Hence, the point of Sadhana is to get better and better so that one can 'see' and experience the truth. Everything else, including "theist", "atheist", "I am Srusti", "I am Dwarakanath", etc., they called ignorance.

Secondly, they said that there are many ways to see the truth, and owing to one's own temperment, there are different starting points for such a journey. Hence there are different forms of Sadhana. But for all those, they said that certain qualities are necessary. They called them "Daivi Sampada". I suggest you check out Gurucharitra and write what those qualities are, just so that they give a good starting point for further discussion!

Regarding grace, we shall come to that.

Jai Sai Master!!

Dwaraka Uncle,



You said that Sadhana is the starting point of attaining our Goal, right?
 
So, is what we are all doing right now a waste of time?  Since what we are doing, (going to school, taking exams, getting jobs, etc.) doesn't get us any closer to "Discovering the truth, the true nature of one-self, and that of the whole of creation and the creator is the goal".


We have to get the certain qualities, (Daivi Sampada), then do Sadhana, then after many years of doing so, we will reach the Goal?  But Uncle, what is everyone doing right now?  Like doing pooja, going to temples, participating in temple activities, doing prayer, etc.

Many of us are doing parayana. Is that Sadhana?  But according to what you said, Sadhana will be technically started only after obtaining Daivi Sampada characteristics. If that is not Sadhana, what is it? 

Uncle, you said that there are different types of Sadhana and that it differs by each's temperament.  They say that every person is different, so are there that many types of Sadhana?

I have read about Daivi Sampada in Gurucharitra and am listing the characteristics below.

Here are some Do's and Dont's for the "Daivi Sampada" characteristics.

1) Do Be Peaceful (Shanti),(Krodhamu Lekunda)
2) Be Righteousness (Dharmamu),(Dharmanista)
3) Be Compassionate towards others (Canikaramu)
4) Be Shy (Siggu/Ladja)
5) Be Charitable (Dhaanamu)
6) Have a Pure Heart (Hrudyam Suddhi)
7) Do (Yogabhyasamu)
Do (Thatvajnanamu)
9) Do Control Your Senses (Indriya Nigrahamu)
10) Do (Yajnmu)
11) Do Penance (Thappassu)
12) Do Read Good Literary Works (Svadyayamu)
13) Be Non-Violent (Ahimsa)
14) Be Truthful (Satyamu)
15) Do Sacrifice (Thyagamu)
16) Be Polite (Mrudhu Svabhvamu)
17) Have Unwavering Common Sense (Chekkuchadharani Yuktha Yukthabuddhi)
18) Be Patient (Sahanamu), (Orimi)
19) Don't Be Inconsistent (Champalyamu Lekundadamu)
20) Don't Broadcast Others' Wrong Deeds (Etharula Dhoshalu Prakatencha Kudadhu)
21) Don't Be Deceptive (Vanchana Lekundadamu)
22) Don't Be Egoistic (Nigarvamu)

These are very good qualities:).  But if someone did have these qualities, why would they need to do Sadhana? 

Don't they already have the characteristics of a Mahatma?   

What would be the difference between a Mahatma and a "normal" person that has "mastered" the Daivi Sampada qualities?

Does Daivi Sampada occur naturally to a Mahatma because they are "one" with God?  Or is it because the Mahatma is "one" with God that Daivi Sampada occurs naturally? 

Mahatmas, like Master garu for example, are born as normal human beings but realize the "truth" in just one lifetime.  How is that possible?  (How did he nurture those qualities?  When did he practice those qualities).  Did Mahatmas realize the Truth because they already had those qualities?  Or because they were eligible to conquer those qualities easily?

For ex. suppose we are wanting to write an exam.  To even attempt passing the exam, we need to rely on many different aspects like, our preparation, someone preparing the question paper, attempting the exam, correction of the exam,etc.  The To-Be-Mahatma has recieved the exam and is attempting it, now it is all up to the person grading their paper.  So, the To-Be-Mahatma found out the nature of Mother Nature and the nature of God which is nothing but preparing for the exam.  Then he did the Sadhana, which represents writing the exam, so it is now up to the grader, or the Almighty to decide whether he passes or not (whether or not he realizes the TRUTH).  Does the grader look at if the To-Be-Mahatma already has the Daivi Sampada qualities or how CLOSE he is to attain those qualities?  I hope I am clear enough to be understood.

Did all human beings start off on the same step and did Mahatmas advance faster than us or were they "special" since the beginning of the human race and were reborn over and over again for the sole reason of helping us?


Please go on........ I'm still waiting  .........